Tuesday, May 12, 2009

A first thought on a best movie ever bracket

Here is a list from the American Film Institute rating the top 100 movies. I doubt that all of these movies will make it onto our top 64 bracket, but anyone that wants to participate should rent some of the classic "best" movies so that any vote made for or against that movie can be based on what you've actually seen and enjoyed rather than what you've heard. I think that there needs to be an honor system for voting on this bracket where you cannot even vote on a match-up if you haven't seen both movies. Really we need to start watching some of these movies and wait a few months before starting the bracket.


1. Citizen Kane (1941)
2. The Godfather (1972)
3. Casablanca (1942)
4. Raging Bull (1980)
5. Singin' in the Rain (1952)
6. Gone with the Wind (1939)
7. Lawrence of Arabia (1962)
8. Schindler's List (1993)
9. Vertigo (1958)
10. The Wizard of Oz (1939)
11. City Lights (1931)
12. The Searchers (1956)
13. Star Wars (1977)
14. Psycho (1960)
15. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
16. Sunset Blvd. (1950)
17. The Graduate (1967)
18. The General (1927)
19. On the Waterfront (1954)
20. It's a Wonderful Life (1946)
21. Chinatown (1974)
22. Some Like It Hot (1959)
23. The Grapes of Wrath (1940)
24. E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial (1982)
25. To Kill A Mockingbird (1962)
26. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (1939)
27. High Noon (1952)
28. All About Eve (1950)
29. Double Indemnity (1944)
30. Apocalypse Now (1979)
31. The Maltese Falcon (1941)
32. The Godfather Part II (1974)
33. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975)
34. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937)
35. Annie Hall (1977)
36. The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957)
37. The Best Years of Our Lives (1946)
38. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948)
39. Dr. Strangelove (1964)
40. The Sound of Music (1965)
41. King Kong (1933)
42. Bonnie and Clyde (1967)
43. Midnight Cowboy (1969)
44. The Philadelphia Sotry (1940)
45. Shane (1953)
46. It Happened One Night (1934)
47. A Streetcar Named Desire (1951)
48. Rear Window (1954)
49. Intolerance (1916)
50. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)
51. West Side Story (1961)
52. Taxi Driver (1976)
53. The Deer Hunter (1978)
54. M*a*s*h (1970)
55. North By Northwest (1959)
56. Jaws (1977)
57. Rocky (1976)
58. The Gold Rush (1925)
59. Nashville (1975)
60. Duck Soup (1933)
61. Sullivan's Travels (1958)
62. American Graffiti (1973)
63. Cabaret (1972)
64. Network (1976)
65. The African Queen (1951)
66. Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
67. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (1966)
68. Unforgiven (1992)
69. Tootsie (1982)
70. A Clockwork Orange (1971)
71. Saving Private Ryan (1998)
72. The Shawshank Redemption (1994)
73. Butch Caddidy and the Sundance Kid (1969)
74. The Silence of the Lambs (1991)
75. In the Heat of the Night (1967)
76. Forrest Gump (1994)
77. All the President's Men (1976)
78. Modern Times (1936)
79. The Wild Bunch (1969)
80. The Apartment (1960)
81. Spartacus (1960)
82. Sunrise (1927)
83. Titanic (1997)
84. Easy Rider (1969)
85. A Night at the Opera (1935)
86. Platoon (1986)
87. 12 Angry Men (1957)
88. Bringing Up Baby (1938)
89. The Sixth Sense (1999)
90. Swing Time (1936)
91. Sophie's Choice (1982)
92. Goodfellas (1990)
93. The French Connection (1971)
94. Pulp Fiction (1994)
95. The Last Picture Show (1971)
96. Do the Right Thing (1989)
97. Blade Runner (1982)
98. Yankee Doodle Dandy (1942)
99. Toy Story (1995)
100. Ben-Hur (1959)

The American Film Institute asked more than 1,500 members of the film community to pick the 100 best films of all time from a list of 400 movies nominated by the institute. The criteria for inclusion was historical significance, critical recognition and awards, and popularity determined by box-office revenue, syndication, video sale and rental figures. The updated, 10th anniversary edition of the list was released in 2007.

15 comments:

ethan said...

while I enjoy best movie lists as much as anyone, I really want our bracket to reflect our actual tastes. I have seen 9 of the top 10 on this list, and of those, I would only include The Godfather in my personal top 64. It isn't that Raging Bull and Casablanca weren't interesting movies to watch...I just would rather watch Young Guns than either of them.

Taylor said...

Youngs Guns? I don't think you and I are on the same page.

Taylor said...

AFI Top 100 movies I agree with:

The Godfather (1972)
Star Wars (1977)
Apocalypse Now (1979)
The Godfather Part II (1974)
The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957)
The Sound of Music (1965)
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)
North By Northwest (1959)
Jaws (1977)
Rocky (1976)
Unforgiven (1992)
The Shawshank Redemption (1994)
The Silence of the Lambs (1991)
Goodfellas (1990)
Pulp Fiction (1994)
Blade Runner (1982)
Ben-Hur (1959)

Movies I intend to watch before the bracket begins (again if it's been a while):

Citizen Kane (1941)
Casablanca (1942)
Raging Bull (1980)
Lawrence of Arabia (1962)
Vertigo (1958)
Sunset Blvd. (1950)
On the Waterfront (1954)
To Kill A Mockingbird (1962)
The Maltese Falcon (1941)
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975)
High Noon (1952)
Dr. Strangelove (1964)
Taxi Driver (1976)
The Deer Hunter (1978)
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969)
Easy Rider (1969)
The French Connection (1971)

I've seen it. Good, but over-rated. Should not be in the bracket:

Schindler's List (1993)
The Wizard of Oz (1939)
Psycho (1960)
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
The Graduate (1967)
It's a Wonderful Life (1946)
E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial (1982)
Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (1939)
The Philadelphia Story (1940)
Shane (1953)
Rear Window (1954)
Duck Soup (1933)
Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
A Clockwork Orange (1971)
Saving Private Ryan (1998)
Forrest Gump (1994)
Spartacus (1960)
The Sixth Sense (1999)
Toy Story (1995)

I haven't seen it and I'm not going to see it. Should not be in the bracket unless someone can make a good case why it should be:

Singin' in the Rain (1952)
Gone with the Wind (1939)
City Lights (1931)
The Searchers (1956)
The General (1927)
Chinatown (1974)
Grapes of Wrath (1940)
Some Like It Hot (1959)
All About Eve (1950)
Double Indemnity (1944)
The Best Years of Our Lives (1946)
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948)
Bonnie and Clyde (1967)
Midnight Cowboy (1969)
It Happened One Night (1934)
A Streetcar Named Desire (1951)
Intolerance (1916)
West Side Story (1961)
M*a*s*h (1970
The Gold Rush (1925)
Nashville (1975)
Sullivan's Travels (1958)
American Graffiti (1973)
Cabaret (1972)
Network (1976)
Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (1966)
Tootsie (1982)
In the Heat of the Night (1967)
All the President's Men (1976)
Modern Times (1936)
The Wild Bunch (1969)
The Apartment (1960)
Sunrise (1927)
A Night at the Opera (1935)
Platoon (1986)
12 Angry Men (1957)
Bringing Up Baby (1938)
Swing Time (1936)
Sophie's Choice (1982)
The Last Picture Show (1971
Do the Right Thing (1989)
Yankee Doodle Dandy (1942)

I've seen it. Awful, just awful.

Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937)
Annie Hall (1977)
King Kong (1933)
The African Queen (1951)
Titanic (1997)

Taylor said...

I have an idea for the four fields to make our bracket interesting: 16 movies will be the classic best movies that we always hear about but few people have actually seen (Citizen Kane etc.), 32 will be the movies we think are actually the best movies ever (Fight Club), and 16 could be those cheesy movies that aren't really good film-making but that we would probably rather watch (True Lies, Tommy Boy, etc. But seriously, eff Young Guns.).

Taylor said...

Movies not on this list that need to be included:

Braveheart
Fight Club
Magnolia
The Empire Strikes Back
Tron
The Royal Tenenbaums
The Return of the King
Reservoir Dogs
The Good the Bad and the Ugly

ethan said...

Top 100 I agree with (though that doesn't mean they are top 64 yet):

The Godfather
Star Wars
Apocalypse Now
The Godfather II
North by Northwest
Jaws
Rocky
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Saving Private Ryan
Shawshank Redemption
Silence of the Lambs
Pulp Fiction

I haven't seen, but would:

Citizen Kane
Lawrence of Arabia
Chinatown
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Annie Hall
Easy Rider
12 Angry Men
The French Connection

I have seen, and it isn't good enough:

Casablanca
Raging Bull
Schindler's List
Vertigo
The Searchers (great movie)
Psycho
2001: A Space Odyssey
The Graduate
On the Waterfront
It's a wonderful life
The Grapes of Wrath
E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
To Kill a Mockingbird
High Noon
Maltese Falcon
Dr. Strangelove
King Kong
A Streetcar Named Desire
Rear Window
Lord of the Ring: Fellowship of the Ring
West Side Story
Taxi Driver
The Deer Hunter
MASH
American Graffiti
Cabaret
Unforgiven
Tootsie
A Clockwork Orange
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
In the Heat of the Night
Forrest Gump
Spartacus
Titanic
Platoon
The Sixth Sense
GoodFellas
Blade Runner
Toy Story
Ben-Hur

I haven't seen, but don't want to:

City Lights
Sunset Blvd
The General
Some Like it hot
Mr. Smith goes to Washington
All About Eve
Double Indemnity
The Bridge on the River Kwai
The Best Years of Our Lives
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
Bonnie and Clyde
Midnight Cowboy
The Philadelphia Story
Shane
It Happened One Night
Intolerance
Gold Rush
Nashville
Duck Soup
Sullivan's Travels
Network
The African Queen
Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
All the President's Men
Modern Times
Wild Bunch
The Apartment
Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans
A Night at the Opera
Bringing Up Baby
Swing Time
Sophie's Choice
The Last Picture Show
Do the Right Thing
Yankee Doodle Dandy

Have seen, Awful:

Singin' in the Rain
Gone With the Wind
Wizard of Oz
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
The Sound of Music

ethan said...

Taylor,

You should see The Searchers and Platoon...both very good.

Searchers is maybe John Wayne's greatest movie (definitely the deepest).

Platoon is just a great Vietnam Movie and is alluded to constantly in pop culture.

They don't deserve top 64, but worth seeing.

Brian G said...

Dear The Money Beets,

Should I even bother listing off my thoughts on that top 100 list like Taylor and Ethan have done? Or do I need to wait for the bracket to come out as basically meaning my opinion on what should be on the bracket means nothing.

Let me know!

and in all seriousness, I enjoy your blog, it hurts me to admit that.

ethan said...

Brian,

these are just our thoughts...don't stress out...we will get the bracket together in a bit. we are just encouraging people to watch certain movies in preparation, as we would prefer everyone vote only on movies they have seen.

ethan

Brian G said...

k, and i'm hardly stressed out

Mr. Bad Example said...

We need to sit down and really hash this all out together as "The Money Beets".

I for one won't even consider looking at the top 100 movies on this list. Because this is OUR list. I want Anchorman on their battling Braveheart. I don't care about The Sound of Music vs. Sunset Blvd. I would venture to say many who read this blog don't either.

And Young Guns is on my top 64 because it is amazing and was a great movie in my growing up. I saw you put Taylor that we aren't on the same page. This is as good a place as any to define what we are really looking to accomplish here?

Are we basing this off of cinematic relevance? Quality? Or just movies we love? Because if it is anything other than the top movies we love then what is the point of the bracket? We already have a top 100 list. You just posted it.

Not at all trying to be critical, just want us to be on the same page. I guess my point in this banter is we need to get together and hash this thing out.

Taylor said...

I agree that we need to figure out what our criteria are. I'd like to try to make the bracket as broad as possible so that we can include the classic "best movies" like Citizen Kane but also include movies that are more specific to our generation (Fight Club) and even movies that aren't typically brought up as being groundbreaking or "best ever" movies (The Goonies).

Here is my idea for how we should split up the four fields of the bracket: One field (16 movies) of the typical "classic" movies for the sake of lending some credibility to this bracket and to force us to watch them and--more importantly--to give us an opportunity to vote against them and take them down a peg.

Next would be 16 from that area of movies where we seem to agree with the critics: Godfather, Star Wars, Shawshank Redemption, Tron, Braveheart etc.

Next would be movies that are more specific to us: Fight Club, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, etc.

Last would be the atypical best movies ever. This would be where we would put Die Hard, Goonies, Monty Python, and (apparently) Young Guns.

I think this would balance the bracket and make it interesting. We would get to cut down the obligatory movies to 16 and would be able to bump up the number of movies that we like that aren't typically thought of as "best ever." It seems like Ethan wants this to be all of the second two fields without even looking at classic film-making. We should at least discuss the "best" films ever created so that we can include in the debate how much cinematography, writing, editing, etc. can contribute to a movie, versus when those elements are totally unnecessary to make a great move.

Here is a rough draft of how I'd like this to look. These are in no particular order and are of course based on my personal taste:

The Obligation Bracket:
Citizen Kane
Casablanca
Raging Bull
Lawrence of Arabia
Sunset Boulevard
Bridge on the River Kwai
Ben Hur
Dr. Strangelove
The Sounds of Music
On the Waterfront
High Noon
To Kill a Mockingbird
The Maltese Falcon
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
The Deer Hunter
Taxi Driver

The Mostly Undisputed Bracket:
Godfather
Godfather 2
Star Wars
Apocalypse Now
Jaws
Rocky
Goodfellas
Unforgiven
Blade Runner
The Last of the Mohicans
Saving Private Ryan
The Sting
Shawshank Redemption
Braveheart
Silence of the Lambs
The Good the Bad and the Ugly

Our Generation's Classics Bracket:
Empire Strikes Back
Tron
Pulp Fiction
The Matrix
The Royal Tenenbaums
Fight Club
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
The Dark Knight
Glory
Memento
The Lord of the Rings
The Matador
High Fidelity
American History X
Magnolia
V for Vendetta

Not Your Typical Best Movie Ever Bracket:
Die Hard
True Lies
Tommy Boy
Office Space
Billy Madison
Life of Brian
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Coming to America
Thank You for Smoking
Anchorman
Napoleon Dynamite
Ferris Bueller's Day Off
The Goonies
Waiting for Guffman
Half-Baked
The Money Pit

Taylor said...

My pick to go all the way: The Big Lebowski. Excellent in every way.

ethan said...

Best Movie not yet mentioned:

Point Break

Beth Glazener said...

Just a thought, but there are a couple of films that could qualify in a category involving films based on a novel... examples: LOTR, "To Kill a Mockingbird," "The Shawshank Redemption." They're a few of the examples of good lit gone big screen.

And you all thought I never read the blog. =)

Taylor... awaiting a case on "To Kill a Mockingbird" (no pun intended)? It's worth seeing. Deals with social issues in race and class, every day life, has humor, and was beautifully filmed. Robert Duvall's debut film to boot, and such a fabulous start to his career. And the character Dill is based on Truman Capote, Harper Lee's childhood friend. And, you might like "M*A*S*H"... I don't think it belongs on the list, but the film isn't what most people expect.

Also, Ethan's right about "The Searchers"... it's not a hokey cowboy film like most people associate with John Wayne. It's much darker and deeper.