
As an example of voting styles: Ethan thinks that classic rock, while important, just doesn't hold up to newer music that has, in essence, stood on the shoulders of the Beatles and others to make even better music. Brian on the other hand would argue that the music of classic rock bands innovated and created so greatly that most bands since have merely been imitating but never equalling their influences. That being said, everyone should feel free to lobby others as to which bands' music has stood the test of time and also to speculate as to what new music will remain relevant for decades to come.
Once everyone votes on the first round, I'll update the spreadsheet and re-post it for the second round. The seeding system is inherently inaccurate so any complaints as to the over-rating or under-rating of a band/artist should be remedied through voting. So if Madonna gets the votes, Madonna will win.
64 comments:
My votes:
Beatles
Jimmy Eat World
Pixies
Tom Petty
Bob Dylan
Weezer
David Bowie
TV on the Radio
Radiohead
CCR
Modest Mouse
The Doors
Arcade Fire
Nine Inch Nails
Interpol
Pearl Jam
Metallica
Rage Against the Machine
Wilco
Smashing Pumpkins
Built to Spill
Pinback
Foo Fighters
Led Zeppelin
Nirvana
Explosions in the Sky
Elliott Smith
White Stripes
Beck
The Rolling Stones
Sigur Ros
U2
My votes:
Band of Horses
Jimmy Eat World
Jimi Hendrix
Death Cab for Cutie
Bob Dylan (i don't like either)
Grandaddy
The Beach Boys (again, i don't like either)
Stone Temple Pilots
Radiohead (this isn't fair, Beastie Boys deserve better)
CCR
Modest Mouse
The Doors
Arcade Fire
Queen
Interpol (Simon and Garfunkle deserve better)
Pearl Jam (MJ deserves better)
Metallica
Rage Against the Machine
Bob Marley
Smashing Pumpkins
Built to Spill
Pinback
Foo Fighters (both awful)
Led Zeppelin
Nirvana (tough seed there Madonna)
Explosions in the Sky
Elliott Smith
White Stripes
Beck
The Rolling Stones (both awful)
Green Day
Elton John (I just hate U2 that much)
My votes:
Beatles
Jimmy Eat World
The Pixies
Tom Petty
Prince
Weezer
The Beach Boys
TV on the Radio
Radiohead
The Police
Modest Mouse
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Arcade Fire
Interpol
Michael Jackson
Rage Against the Machine
Bob Marley
Smashing Pumpkins
Pink Floyd
Pinback
Foo Fighters
Led Zeppelin
Madonna (cuz i can)
Explosions in the Sky
Elliott Smith
White Stripes
Beck
Rolling Stones
Sigur Ros
U2
Leslie,
Are you intentionally withholding your vote from two of the match-ups? If you're on the fence you can always vote and then change your mind later. I think switching votes should be allowed for the sake of encouraging lobbying and discussion.
Here are my votes:
Beatles
Jimmy Eat World
Hendrix
Tom Petty
Bob Dylan
Weezer
The Beach Boys
TV on the radio
Beastie Boys
The Police
Modest Mouse
The Doors
Arcade Fire
Queen
Interpol
Michael Jackson
Elvis
Rage Against The Machine
Bob Marley
Eric Clapton
Built to Spill
Pinback
Bruce Spring
Led Zeppelin
Nirvana
The Who
Neil Young
Warren Zevon
Kings of Leon
Rolling Stones
Sigur Ros
Elton John
Some Notes:
Son of a bitch.....really Wilco over Neil Young? So you have no knowledge or taste in music is what you are saying. Do me a favor listen to anything of Wilco's and then put up against Heart of Gold, Cinnamon Girl, Harvest Moon, Down by the River. My hope is you idiots haven't really listened to Young therefor you go with Wilco. Otherwise I'm not sure we can be friends.
I also think just on principle Ethan isn't voting anything classic rock. How can you think Death Cab is better than Tom Petty?
Lastly, why oh why did Pinback have to face Van Morrison?? Just tragic.
Again....idiots.....
While I find your question of who to pick between Wilco and Neil Young to be intriguing, the bracket I'm looking at has Wilco versus Bob Marley and Neil Young versus Elliott Smith. But I would totally vote for Wilco over Neil Young.
Alright Brian, I will indulge you in your outrage. What song or album of Neil Young's should I download and listen to to be convinced to vote for him.
If you're interested in understanding why Elliott Smith is so awesome I will burn you a copy of Either/Or. If you're not interested in learning why Elliott Smith is so awesome you can suck it.
I own Either/Or. It is a good album, but Elliot Smith's work doesn't come close to that of Neil Young. I would listen to Harvest or After the Goldrush if I were you.
And for Ethan Neil Young pretty much invented Happy/Sad music. Elliot Smith is not happy/sad music, it is just sad/sad music
i voted for plenty of classic rock.
I offically voted for:
Jimi Hendrix
Bob Dylan
Beach Boys
CCR
The Doors
Queen
Bob Marley
Led Zeppelin
The Rolling Stones
Elton John
I realize they aren't all classic rock, but you should see my point.
Though, I will crush them in the later rounds...I guarantee, none of these win...just had good match-ups.
I voted for Elton John for goodness sake, i would rather listen to "candle in the wind" than anything U2 plays. They are one of the most self-indulgent, egotistical, self-righteous, awful bands on the planet. For every step forward classic rock took in the journey towards perfect music, U2 took 2 steps backward. I hate them so much it just hurts. Really, that much.
Beatles
Jimmy Eat World
Jimi Hendrix
Tom Petty
Prince
Weezer
The Beach Boys
TV on the Radio
Radiohead
The Police
Guns N Roses
The Doors
Arcade Fire
Queen
Simon and Garfunkle
Michael Jackson
Elvis
Bob Marley
Cream/Clapton
Pink Floyd
Van Morrison
Foo Fighters
Led Zeppelin
Madonna
The Who
Neil Young
White Stripes
Beck
Rolling Stones
Green Day
Elton John
Sometimes sad/sad music is really beautiful and what I want to listen to. I'm downloading After the Goldrush right now but I wouldn't hold your breath. I love Elliott Smith.
I agree on U2 Ethan, worst band ever!
Taylor, save your money. You seem to have already made up my mind.
Nine inch nails
Elvis
come on!!! Spice girls?? where are they?
Nonetheless, the fact that you feel so strongly makes me want to listen to some more Neil Young.
And I'm looking forward to voting against U2 next round. With Elton John it came down to whether I liked Tiny Dancer better than With or Without you.
My votes:
Beatles
Hendrix
Tom Petty
Bob Dylan
Weezer
Beach Boys
Stone Temple Pilots
Beastie Boys
CCR
Guns and Roses
Doors
grateful dead
Queen
Interpol
Pearl Jam
Metallica
rage against machione
Bob Marley
Cream/ Eric Clapton
Pink Floyd
Van Morrison
Bruce
Led Zeppelin
Nirvana
The Who
Neil Young
zevon
beck
Stones
green day
U2
Taylor,
Did you consider,
AC/DC
Rush
Allman Brothers
Van Halen
Just interested how original list was conceived?
Simon,
AC/DC almost made the list. The others were considered but didn't make it. I made the list through suggestions but essentially had to weight things myself according to what I perceived to be the most popular or worthy of being considered the best band/artist ever. I think I did a decent job with coming up with bands that everyone likes considering that Ethan though three bands deserved better seeds, which he himself didn't even suggest as bands that should have made the bracket. The girls put their foot down over Madonna and so she made the 1980s bracket. If you hadn't been galavanting around the country you could have had a say. I think AC/DC is the only band of these four that had a chance to make it out of the first round. That being said, do you really think AC/DC is the best band ever?
To start out, I want to say thank you to Ethan. I never thought I'd agree with you as much as I do now, but seriously.... I hate U2. And it was really hard voting for Elton John, but I felt compelled.
And Taylor, I think once you cast your vote it should be set until the next round....
Beatles
The Clash
Hendrix
Tom Petty
Bob Dylan
Weezer
Beach Boys
TV on the Radio
Radiohead
The Police
Modest Mouse
The Doors
Arcade Fire
Queen
Interpol
Michael Jackson (I judge myself)
Elvis
Coldplay
BobMarley
Smashing Pumpkins
Pink Floyd
Van Morrison
Foo Fighters
Zeppelin
Nirvana (against Madonna? No contest.)
The Who
Elliott Smith
Warren Zevon
Kings of Leon
Rolling Stones
Green Da
Elton John.........you know how I feel about this one
weezer over grandaddy?
really people? beverly hills? pork & beans?
weezer WAS great...then they fell off of a cliff. Grandaddy is still great, weezer is not.
I am willing to overlook single bad albums, but weezer is so bad now, I even doubt the quality of Pinkerton and the Blue Album.
Because I want to set the precedent that you can switch votes if someone presents a compelling argument but also mainly because Weezer has truly outspent all the credibility they built with Pinkerton and the Blue Album on five-plus shitty albums, I am switching my vote from Weezer to Grandaddy.
i don't think AC/DC is the best band ever... but if you are including 70/80's classic rock (sorry Ethan) I think they would always be considered....
that saying the list you have is very good and sets an excellent precedent for future voting categories!
( Ethans and Carrie's rage against U2... maybe we should discuss this further?)
Yeah you guys are right. Weezer shouldn't be let off the hook because they made 1 arguably 2 good albums.
Please officially switch my vote from Weezer to Grandaddy
I have no clue why i'm doing this. Seriously.
My Votes:
Beatles
Jimmy Eat world
Jimi Hendrix
Death Cab for Cutie
Bob Dylan(seriously, you put bob dylan vs. prince, both suck)
Weezer
Beach Boys
Stone Temple Pilots
Radiohead (Beastie Boys are at least a sweet sixteen band, poor placement)
Creedence Clearwater Revival
Modest Mouse
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Grateful Dead
Nine Inch Nails (really? only a 14 seed? the guy pioneered an entire genre of music)
Simon and Garfunkle
Michael Jackson (complete bullshit that a guy who is named top 5 entertainers ever is seeded 15)
Metallica (elvis left the building a LONG TIME AGO)
Rage Against the Machine
Bob Marley
Eric Clapton (one of the best guitarists ever)
Pink Floyd
Pinback
Foo Fighters (both suck, bruce should get hit by a golf cart. The world would be a better place)
Led Zeppelin
Nirvana (you actually listed Madonna... you're a fag)
Explosions in the Sky
Elliott Smith
Warren Zevon
Beck
--- I refuse to vote for either of these bands.
Green Day
U2 (i do hate U2, but i hate Elton john more)
So question here, what exactly is the voting based on?
I mean, is it just personal taste? or are we supposed to think about who actually is the best overall between the 2 groups?
I'm still very curious how exactly you did the seeding cause well... again, how on earth is michael jackson only a 15 seed? Sure sure, once you get past the fact that he likes little boys and remember that this is about music he put out some of the best music in his era and if you bundle in the jackson 5 his stock value goes up higher.
meh...
changing votes now?? what is this amateur hour?
Brian (Ethan's Brother?),
Voting should be for which band you think is better with the goal in mind that the winner of the bracket should be the best band ever. This will of course depend on your personal taste and also whether you think the importance of a band as innovators decades ago makes them better than bands now that have been influenced by them. See my Ethan/Brian example in the main post.
Any flaws in the seeding are my fault. I created top sixteen lists for the 50s-60s, 70s-80s, 90s, and 2000s. I then used the March Madness style bracket to place them where they are. I mixed the brackets for the sake of creating more apples to oranges debates, but kept the top four seeds from each era in separate brackets.
Ah, well can't hate on that to much then. Nice work Taylor.
And yes, this is Ethan's brother Brian.
i don't know.... this has election Florida 2000... written all over it.
Seriously, Simon, next think you know some really really old Florida retiree will forget to vote on the Clash versus Jimmy Eat World match-up.
Sigur Ros should NOT be losing to Green Day! That is ridiculous. I can see Explosions in the Sky losing to the Who because at least it's the Who, but really, Green Day? Better than Sigur Ros? Wrong wrong wrong.
Green Day along with pennywise and NoFX helped push an entire genre of music forward.
What has Sigur Ros done?... actually who the hell is Sigur Ros?
i'm with my brother on this one. how many Sigur Ros songs do you know the name of? can you sing?
I bet most of the people voting would recognize at minimum 3 songs off of the Dookie album.
How many Sigur Ros songs were played at your graduation? Green Day anyone?
Unfortunately, I don't even like them. Looks like Elton John will have to play the part of slayer once again.
I think you're missing the point of Sigur Ros entirely if you want them to be a pop band like Green Day. They have an entire album that is sung in an entirely made-up language. As if Icelandic wasn't obscure enough. If you like Explosions in the Sky (and I see you both voted for them), you should enjoy Sigur Ros. Listen to their album Takk. If you want to download a song or two, download Hoppipolla or Saeglopur. And yes, I knew the names of those songs off the top of my head.
"Vote for the Worst"
I nominate Michael Jackson. This 15 seeded pedophile needs your votes. Watch and vote as he can bring down such giants as Pearl Jam, Interpol/Simon & Garfunkel, Queen/Arcade Fire, Modest Mouse/Radiohead/The Doors, and maybe even the Beatles.
What a mockery we will make of this whole bracket.
I officially change my vote from Pearl Jam to Michael Jackson.
Get on board everybody.
Explosions in the Sky = breath of fresh air
Sigur Ros = whales humping
That is all.
Did you really just compare a band that sings in it's own fantasy language to Explosions in the sky? There is a solid difference between Guitar heavy bands vs. Frodo's lost buddies speaking elvish. Sorry man, I'd rather listen to calexico and all their spanish before listening to someone who makes up their own languange.
Nominate the worst?
That would be Madonna, sorry Ethan. I've seen you enjoy Michael Jackson.
But i'm straight, so i won't vote for Madonna, sorry.
Here is my vote:
Beatles
The Clash
Jimi Hendrix
Tom Petty
Prince (Seen live twice -amazing)
Weezer (Taylor I am disappointed)
Stone Temple Pilots
Radiohead
The Police
Guns N Roses (Awesome Then/ Awesome Now)
Red Hot Chili Peppers
The Grateful Dead
Nine Inch Nails
Interpol
Michael Jackson
Metallica
Coldplay
Bob Marley
Smashing Pumpkins
Pink Floyd
Van Morrison
Foo Fighters
Led Zepplin
Madonna (Pioneer/Innovator/And Because I Can)
The Who
Neil Young (Classic)
White Stripes
Beck (He's a little nuts now)
The Rolling Stones
Green Day
Elton John (everyone covers him...that says something right?)
I'm sorry? Does anybody actually work?
Who is NewportHome?
Just listened to Green Day in my car. Would also like to change my vote from Sigur Ros to Green Day.
Sonofabitch!
Since everyone is changing their answers, I want to as well..... I would like to change all of my answers to the other one. Thank you.
Deadline for First Round voting and vote-changing: Tonight, Wednesday, at midnight.
And Carrie: really?
I'm not sure I understand this. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I don't see my favorite bands on here, I can still write them in, yes? I will move forward with the assumption that this is OK.
-Beatles
-Jon Secada
-Ace of Base
-Death Cab for Cutie
-Prince (as in Fresh, of Bel Air)
-Grandaddy
-The Beach Boys (remember when they performed on Full House with Uncle Jesse?)
-*N Sync
-Beastie Boys
-The Police
-Guns N Roses
-The Doors
-Arcade Fire
-Queen
-Simon and Garfunkle
-Michael Jackson
-Elvis
-Rage Against the Machine
-Billy Joel
-Eric Clapton
-Sade
-Pinback
-Celine Dion
-Justin Timberlake
-Nirvana
-Explosions in the Sky
-98 Degrees
-Men at Work
-Luther Vandross
-The Rolling Stones
-Green Day
-Elton John
art garfunkel would like you to spell his name right
I love you, Adri. And after all that you still didn't even vote for Madonna.
Why are you allowing vote changing.?. tut... this mockery makes me feel like I am voting in the Zimbabwe elections.
We're allowing vote changing because part of the fun of this bracket is to debate the merits of each band. There is no point to debating if you can't change someone's vote.
Boston and Dave Matthews Band should definitely be in there, and I'm saying that even though I don't particularly like either.
Boston
1970-80's
29x Platinum
50 million albums worldwide
Still performing and filling up the stands
Dave Matthews Band
1990-2000's
2 Grammy's (13 nominations)
Top 100 highest-selling music acts of all times
Cult-like following
Taylor, I listened to all the songs again and I would now like my votes changed back to my original vote.
I'm too sad to vote in this bracket anymore now that brian said the Prom bracket is dead. Are all brackets just tools to play with my emotions? Because I can't go through that pain twice.
ps- I TOTALLY remember when the beach boys played with Uncle Jesse! That was the coolest.
Voting extended until tomorrow night, Thursday, at midnight.
Regards,
The Money Beets
Taylor, FYI, I never championed Madonna. That was your wife.
Ally's Vote -
Beatles
Jimmy Eat world
Jimi Hendrix
Death Cab for Cutie
Prince
Weezer
David Bowie
Stone Temple Pilots
Radiohead
The Police
Guns N Roses
Red Hot Chili Peppers
- won't vote, don't know either bands
Queen
Simon and Garfunkle
Michael Jackson
Elvis Presley
Coldplay
Bob Marley
Cream
Built to Spill (shes never heard of them but just hates pink floyd that much)
Van Morrison
Foo Fighters
Led Zeppelin
Madonna
Explosions in the Sky
Elliott Smith
White Stripes
Beck
The Rolling Stones
Green Day
Elton John (ally asks U2's forgiveness because she loves them just as much)
No James Taylor? He's a legend! What about The Steve Miller Band or Sheryl Crow? And did I miss Bon Jovi on there??
Julie,
This isn't the complain about who isn't on the list topic. Make you picks!!
my votes:
Beatles
clash
hendrix
petty
dylan
weezer
bowie
TV on the radio
Radiohead
police
mouse
doors
grateful dead
queen
interpol
pearl jam
metallica
coldplay
marley
clapton
floyd
van morrison
foo fighters
zepplin
nirvana
the who
neil young
stripes
beck
stones
green day
U2
Justin Micka's vote:
*=tough call
Beatles
The Clash
The Pixies*
Tom Petty
Bob Dylan (6 seed is too low)
Weezer (The band broke up in 99 as far as I'm concerned.)
Beach Boys
Stone Temple Pilots (TV #2? Really?)
Radiohead* (RH should be a 90s though)
Police
Modest Mouse* (Again MM should be 90s I think)
Chili Peppers (This one hurts to admit)
Arcade Fire*
Queen
Simon and G
Michael Jackson* (How did the king of pop pull a 15 seed??)
Metallica* (It's a shame for the King to leave first round though.)
Rage
Bob Marley
Smashing Pumpkins
Pink Floyd
Van Morrison
Springsteen*
Led Zepplin
Nirvana
The Who
Elliott Smith
White Stripes
Beck
Rolling Stones
Green Day
U2
Two points
1. I missed out on too much 1st round discussion to participate. I'll pick up in the next round.
2. My picks were based on an average of three band/artist qualities: overall talent, effect on their generation, musical innovation.
my vote:
beatles
jimmy eat world
hendrix
tom petty
bob dylan
weezer
beach boys
STP
beastie boys
CCR
guns n roses
chili peppers (tough call)
grateful dead
queen
simon and garfunkle
pearl jam (tough call)
metallica
rage
bob marley
eric clapton (tough call)
pink floyd
van morrison
springsten
led zeppelin
nirvana
the who
elliot smith
white stripes
beck
ramones
green day
elton john
*what's a seed?
** bands that are missing...
james taylor
counting crows
the shins
sublime
the cranberries
ray charles
boys to men
stevie wonder
rod stewart
jack, ben, justin???
***also, can we create a female vocalist category or something?
christina aguillera
alicia keys
faith hill
celine
leanne rimes
joni mitchell
carol king
judy collins
eva cassidy
mary j blige
pink
lauryn hill
dixie chicks
aretha
sheryl crowe
sarah mclachlan
whitney houston
fionna apple
stevie nicks
janice jopplin
alanis
grace slick
tori amos
(ooops got carried away :)
KT (Kyle?),
I didn't see that you had posted your picks when I updated the spreadsheet last night. Oops. Get your picks in before the deadline next time.
-T
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